When we physicians don’t get our way, or don’t get the response we desire, we can be intimidating. I have seen this play out many different ways. I have been treated rudely by other physicians. I was once threatened by a very prominent one, who told me (in response to the fact that I dared question his tone), ‘be careful son, you’re digging yourself a deep hole.’ I don’t know what kind of hole, or where it would have taken me, but he was certain I was digging it. Oddly enough, I rather like digging holes. (Very zen.)
Physicians yell at one another, or curse. Physicians stomp and slam down charts. I don’t like it at all. I think it suggests immaturity. I always tell students and residents that in the ER, especially, the physician is ‘Captain of the Ship,’ and the Captain must never lose his or her cool.
But physicians, sadly, do the same to non-physicians. Nurses, in particular, earn their ire as they scream, curse, stomp and engage in all sorts of negative behaviors. It also happens to paramedics, unit secretaries, dietary workers, therapists, administrators and all manner of persons.
It even happens outside the hospital. ‘Do you know who I am?’ Used to being obeyed, physicians unleash their anger at waiters, waitresses, clerks, minor government functionaries and others who frequently don’t have the freedom to respond in kind.
I admit, it’s better than it used to be. Back in the Olympus days (when we walked like gods on the earth), yelling and cruelty was positively standard as nurses often moved in terror of certain physicians.
I further admit that the majority of physicians do not behave this way. But, for those who do, I’d like to suggest a guideline.
We should never treat anyone badly who is not in a position to return the favor.
That is, if I call you from the ER and you’re mad and want to raise your voice to me, go ahead. I may not give it back, but I can if I wish. The nurse, the secretary, the x-ray tech, is not usually in the same position. They fear being reported, reprimanded, fired. They fear retribution.
Doctors who want to unleash their immature anger should only do so if they can expect a healthy dose in return.
It’s simply a matter of decency, courtesy and ultimately, of chivalry.
So do unto others only if they can do unto you. At least when it comes to rage.
Bullying stinks, rotten for kids and no better for adults, we may have different roles in medicine, but at the end of the day we all go home tired and fight inertia the next morning. I have seen what you give others is repaid with much interest, good and bad. I find it interesting that the ones who do bully are always surprised at the number of hands that have sprung up to pull them down when the first opportunity presents. Even the good Samaritans can develop myopia on the road.
Linda
13 years ago
As a pharmacist for 30 years, I’ve never tolerated being yelled at by physicians, nurses or administrators. My response is the same, whether in person or on the phone: when you can calm down and speak WITH me in a reasonable fashion, I will listen. Otherwise, you will have to call (come) back when you’re able. Then, I hang up or walk away. I’ve been threatened with firing, etc…. but when all explanations have been given, I’ve always been supported. On the one time a surgeon threw something at me in the ICU, I walked away, called a replacement, went… Read more »
nyc doc
13 years ago
No, Dr. Leap, it is not a matter of decency. Doctors, like everyone else in healthcare, will become less civil as time goes on. Doctors will have no choice but to try to raise our voices, if only to scream for help. The reasons: 1) The general public believes the demonic description of our profession. The president said we are more willing to bill for amputating a diabetic’s leg than treating that person’s diabetes. 2) Managed health care limits treatments we can prescribe and tests we can order. Patients don’t believe that this economic rationing applies to them and don’t… Read more »
Great points, all! I agree with what you are saying. I think we’re talking about two different situations. In our workplaces, we can be unpleasant as a result of fatigue and other factors, and we need to be careful how we treat those who really have no control over the situations that frustrate us. On the other hand, when it comes to protecting ourselves, our profession, our patients, our country’s future, we should be vocal and confrontational. Columnist Doug Giles has a wrist-band on his website. It’s for sale, and says, ‘Who would Jesus whip?’ His point being, even Jesus… Read more »
No, you’re not. I don’t know you, but I can guarantee you that you’re not even close, no matter what state you live in, or your lifestyle. Calculate it from actual payments, and get back to us. Simply adding up marginal tax rates uses the same logic as saying that saving 25% on each of four purchases means you saved 100%.
One of my goals in becoming a physician is to become a doctor that is never characterized by that sort of arrogance or selfishness. I’m fully aware of the fact that a contingent of the ‘old guard’ exists that think yelling at medical students or residents is just standard fare and I understand that I’ll have to deal with all of the unprofessional behavior that persists in medicine. But, I’ve no intention of becoming that kind of doctor. For some reason, medicine is the one field on earth where unprofessional behavior is tolerated. I suspect that fifty years from now… Read more »
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Bullying stinks, rotten for kids and no better for adults, we may have different roles in medicine, but at the end of the day we all go home tired and fight inertia the next morning. I have seen what you give others is repaid with much interest, good and bad. I find it interesting that the ones who do bully are always surprised at the number of hands that have sprung up to pull them down when the first opportunity presents. Even the good Samaritans can develop myopia on the road.
As a pharmacist for 30 years, I’ve never tolerated being yelled at by physicians, nurses or administrators. My response is the same, whether in person or on the phone: when you can calm down and speak WITH me in a reasonable fashion, I will listen. Otherwise, you will have to call (come) back when you’re able. Then, I hang up or walk away. I’ve been threatened with firing, etc…. but when all explanations have been given, I’ve always been supported. On the one time a surgeon threw something at me in the ICU, I walked away, called a replacement, went… Read more »
No, Dr. Leap, it is not a matter of decency. Doctors, like everyone else in healthcare, will become less civil as time goes on. Doctors will have no choice but to try to raise our voices, if only to scream for help. The reasons: 1) The general public believes the demonic description of our profession. The president said we are more willing to bill for amputating a diabetic’s leg than treating that person’s diabetes. 2) Managed health care limits treatments we can prescribe and tests we can order. Patients don’t believe that this economic rationing applies to them and don’t… Read more »
Great points, all! I agree with what you are saying. I think we’re talking about two different situations. In our workplaces, we can be unpleasant as a result of fatigue and other factors, and we need to be careful how we treat those who really have no control over the situations that frustrate us. On the other hand, when it comes to protecting ourselves, our profession, our patients, our country’s future, we should be vocal and confrontational. Columnist Doug Giles has a wrist-band on his website. It’s for sale, and says, ‘Who would Jesus whip?’ His point being, even Jesus… Read more »
No, you’re not. I don’t know you, but I can guarantee you that you’re not even close, no matter what state you live in, or your lifestyle. Calculate it from actual payments, and get back to us. Simply adding up marginal tax rates uses the same logic as saying that saving 25% on each of four purchases means you saved 100%.
One of my goals in becoming a physician is to become a doctor that is never characterized by that sort of arrogance or selfishness. I’m fully aware of the fact that a contingent of the ‘old guard’ exists that think yelling at medical students or residents is just standard fare and I understand that I’ll have to deal with all of the unprofessional behavior that persists in medicine. But, I’ve no intention of becoming that kind of doctor. For some reason, medicine is the one field on earth where unprofessional behavior is tolerated. I suspect that fifty years from now… Read more »