While working at small rural hospital I was once again faced with the emergency physician’s dilemma. Admitting a patient and being told to write ‘holding orders.’ In the midst of a very busy department, I sat with a nurse who guided me through the ridiculously complex and counter-intuitive electronic orders system. All this so that the admitting doctor wouldn’t have to log onto the computer, from home mind you, and trouble himself. (Much less come in and see the patient old school…that would be sheer madness!)
Now look, I know I’m with the patient. But that means I’ve already done the majority of the stuff that really matters. The rest is housekeeping, and the domain of the patient’s personal admitting physician or hospitalist. I don’t know when you like your repeat labs, how you like your prn medications, what you want for hypertension or really what antibiotic pathway you want to employ. I don’t know when you want him up, or whether or not you want her to have a physical therapy consult. I don’t know. And ultimately, I don’t care. In the same way as an orthopedic surgeon doesn’t really care about which oral hypoglycemic you recommend for his patient, or a psychiatrist which gallbladder imaging you prefer.
It is 2015. We have telemedicine. Physicians remotely, hundreds of miles away, read our CT scans and others tell us (also from vast distances) to give thrombolytic drugs. The Internet makes medicine possible from your bed…at night…naked if you like.
It makes no sense for me to read X-rays because it’s after 5 PM and radiologists get tired. And it makes even less sense for me to write admitting orders for patients, when 1) I’m not trained to do it and 2) you’ll do it much better than I will and 3) you will be the one caring for them, and the one who should care most about what things are ordered. Convenience and comfort aside.
I’m not longer an intern or resident. Write your own admitting orders. I already did the work-up.
this reminds me a bit of your greatest tome, the on call list at community general hospital.the best I have ever read. I covered a rural hospital for a week at a time every 6 weeks from 1963 to 1973. then I really went nuts and did it full time at an urban hospital from 1974 to 1995. If you ever rewrite your masterpiece, call me and I will give you all the humor and crazy shit that you can stand to use in your literary life. thanks for making my day with your witty work….
bud williams
Bud, thanks so much! I’ll do that. It needs a rewrite at some point. It’s all gotten much more complex these days, to be sure. I’d love to hear some stories from your time in the rural hospital! Heck, I love to hear stories period. Have a great day!
Rita Frank
9 years ago
Welcome to the monster you’ve created. All my life in medicine it’s been the ER Dr’s responsibility to write admission orders, read xrays,respond to codes, intubate,assess urgent inpatient situations, etc because that’s the way the medical establishment set the system up. Now you want your colleagues to actually work after 5pm? They look at you thinking you probably only work a couple of days a week and after all you’re already in the hospital so why should they have to be bothered especially since most think they’re overworked and under paid. All I can say is good luck. There are… Read more »
That’s the adjective that kept running through my mind as I pondered the situation. I think you’re absolutely right! But hey, it’s a family blog, so…
Ken
9 years ago
Edwin
Are you locums? Do you need this job? What are he Medical Staff Regulations about
attendings/PCP’s examining and writing orders about their patients?
Is it ever acceptable to say, “I’m not familiar with your patient’s past medical problems and
PMH. I think they need admission, but I’m not sure. Please come in to examine and help
decide. Perhaps you might write orders from home because you know them so much better
than I do. Otherwise, I’ll keep them here in the ER until you do.”
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this reminds me a bit of your greatest tome, the on call list at community general hospital.the best I have ever read. I covered a rural hospital for a week at a time every 6 weeks from 1963 to 1973. then I really went nuts and did it full time at an urban hospital from 1974 to 1995. If you ever rewrite your masterpiece, call me and I will give you all the humor and crazy shit that you can stand to use in your literary life. thanks for making my day with your witty work….
bud williams
Bud, thanks so much! I’ll do that. It needs a rewrite at some point. It’s all gotten much more complex these days, to be sure. I’d love to hear some stories from your time in the rural hospital! Heck, I love to hear stories period. Have a great day!
Welcome to the monster you’ve created. All my life in medicine it’s been the ER Dr’s responsibility to write admission orders, read xrays,respond to codes, intubate,assess urgent inpatient situations, etc because that’s the way the medical establishment set the system up. Now you want your colleagues to actually work after 5pm? They look at you thinking you probably only work a couple of days a week and after all you’re already in the hospital so why should they have to be bothered especially since most think they’re overworked and under paid. All I can say is good luck. There are… Read more »
I think you make a good point. We’ve been willing to do anything to create our own niche, and we’re paying the price now. Sigh.
I think some sort of an adjective to describe the admitting orders further would be helpful in the title of this missive.
Actually, to be more specific, a gerundial adjective is what I had in mind.
But, that’s just me.
That’s the adjective that kept running through my mind as I pondered the situation. I think you’re absolutely right! But hey, it’s a family blog, so…
Edwin
Are you locums? Do you need this job? What are he Medical Staff Regulations about
attendings/PCP’s examining and writing orders about their patients?
Is it ever acceptable to say, “I’m not familiar with your patient’s past medical problems and
PMH. I think they need admission, but I’m not sure. Please come in to examine and help
decide. Perhaps you might write orders from home because you know them so much better
than I do. Otherwise, I’ll keep them here in the ER until you do.”
Ken